Showing posts with label Revision Clouds. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Revision Clouds. Show all posts

Thursday, February 25, 2010

Revisions #2

It’s been a while since I posted about the topic so it’s time for an update. Some of the following will echo previous comments but I’ll do my best to add some more substance.

Over the past few releases, managing revisions has become somewhat more…manageable. In pre-Revit 2008 versions, if you needed to create new sheet “sketches” with the updated views, you had to tear the original document set apart by moving views over to new sheets. This made it impossible to then print a “construction set” incorporating all the changes. The introduction of dependant views was a great addition, especially for elevation and section views. Now you could finally keep your main document set intact by placing the dependent views on the new smaller sheets. Any clouding placed in one of the dependent views showed up in the other view, making it possible to reprint the original updated document set.

This brings me to one of the golden rules of revisions in Revit: always cloud in the view, not the sheet! I consider this as a best-practice. Sure you can cloud within the sheet and the revision schedule will pick these up just the same, but if you open a revised view you wouldn’t be able to tell what changed unless you opened the sheet view.

Unfortunately this recommendation does not work for schedules as you have to cloud directly on the sheet. This topic comes up in discussions all the time on the AUGI forums. Just last week I had an encounter with this very issue when new rows were added to some door schedules that already had clouded revisions. Since these clouds have to be on sheets and are independent of the rows themselves, they can easily end up marking the wrong elements as a schedule grows or shrinks in length. This is clearly an area that the developers need to address in the future.

When tagging clouds, I prefer to use an abbreviation that is easy to remember rather than using the sequence number. For example instead of having a tag with a value of “2” which then forces you to look at the revision schedule to find what it corresponds to, I prefer to see “AD1” instead for “Addendum #1”. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in having this preference, however Revit doesn’t give us a dedicated parameter. As a workaround I tend to use the “Issued To” parameter for the abbreviation and then modify the revision tag to report that parameter instead.

Revision Tags

In the image above you can also see a revision called “README”. I like to use this to mark areas that require attention or to communicate changes with consultants during design. One can get rid of this at some point but I like to keep it there and use it as a “holding tank” so to speak.

Another thing I find lacking is being able to create a view or drawing (sheet) list and report all revisions per view/sheet. I understand why this isn’t possible as currently Revit doesn’t support multi-value parameters, however it would be a very valuable feature. For example during design, you could have a unique revision for each team member and use clouds to mark up areas of work for each member. It would then be easy to create a view list and sort by revision, thus giving each member a list of views they need to work on.

We can get close to achieving this by using the Current Revision parameter. Obviously this is only possible for a drawing list (sheets) as views don’t have any revision parameters. The Current Revision parameter will report the last placed revision in the sequence on each sheet (assuming numbering is Per Project). So referring to the image above, the Current Revision for that sheet would be Addendum 3. But what if I want to filter for all sheets that have Addendum 1 clouds? The trick is to temporarily shuffle the order of the rows in the above dialog to get the revision you want to filter for at the bottom of the list. So in the above example if you want to list all views that have Addendum 1 clouds, you would move that revision to the bottom of the list and filter for it.

Filter for Current Revision

Do I have time for a final wish? Sure, why not! Ok here we go…I want the ability to select a row in the drawing list and click a button to open the relevant sheet, similar to the “Highlight in Model” button available for showing other scheduled elements in the model.


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Monday, September 22, 2008

Revisions

The Revision features in Revit have received some well deserved additions in the 2009 family of products. Things are not perfect, however we are a lot closer to achieving the expected end results especially by keeping in mind some simple facts and tips.

Facts

  1. The Revision Schedule will NOT report instances of revisions that have been hidden in the view.

  2. The Revision Schedule will STILL report instances of revisions that have been set to not be visible through the Sheet Issues/Revisions dialog box.
  3. If a sheet contains these revisions, you cannot uncheck their visibility through the parameter Revisions on Sheet in the View Properties dialog. See the highlighted, grayed-out rows below. You can however have the schedule show revisions that are not on your current sheet by checking them in this dialog. This function is mainly intended for when you want to track what sheets were issued for and when there is no associated clouding. Another example would be when a whole sheet is added to the drawing set during an addendum and you don't want to cloud the whole thing. In this case you manually check the revision that applies to this sheet so it shows up in the schedule (thanks to Aaron Maller for helping me rationalize this!).

Tags

Some firms like to place a more descriptive tag for their clouds rather than the sequence number or an alphabet letter. So for example for a revision that occurred in Addendum 3, we would want to see “AD3” instead. You can use the Description parameter to house that information and then create a tag with a label that displays this parameter. However, if you want to have a lengthy description for each revision to show up in your revision schedule, you won’t have this parameter available for this purpose. In Revit 2009, we can change the Revision Number to be Numeric, Alphabetic or None. I think we need a Custom option added because of what I just described. In the meantime, if you don’t need to use the Issued to or Issued by parameters, you can use either of them to house this information. As described above, change your tag label to read the relevant parameter.

Issuing revision sketches

When issuing a revision sketch on a small sheet (letter or tabloid size), you probably only want your schedule to display the relevant revision only. If you’re doing things in sequence, then you should be able to achieve this by doing the following to your revision schedule settings (within the title block/annotation family):

  • In the Sorting/Grouping tab: Sort by Revision Sequence in Descending order;
  • In the Appearance Tab: Set the Height to User Defined....watch out for the “Grid lines” checkbox as it might automatically check/uncheck itself! Then size the schedule to only display one row, which will now report the latest revision in the sequence.
If you’re working on multiple revisions and you want your schedule to show a revision other than the last one, you’ll have to at least hide the clouds of revisions that come AFTER the one you’re trying to print. In the Sheet Issues/Revisions dialog box, you can set revisions to not show, but remember that the schedule will still report them. When done, please remember to unhide the hidden elements to prevent your BIM Manager or other team members from hurting you :)

TIP When creating multiple revision clouds in a view that belong to the same revision, use the same sketch rather than creating new sketches. It will make life much easier later when you want to hide a specific revision by selecting a single sketch instead of multiple ones. It is also highly recommended to place your clouds on the view and not on the sheet. The exception to this rule is for schedules, where you have to place clouds on the sheet. EDIT: If using dependent views to split a large plan into smaller views to fit on sheets, place your clouds in separate sketches for each dependent view (you can place them in the parent, but make sure you create a new sketch for each dependent "zone"). This is necessary because your annotation crop region will prevent the clouds from displaying and scheduling since the entire sketch has to be encompassed by the annotation crop extents and that's obviously not what you want to do in dependent views. Also, if you want to itemize every cloud instance, you are forced to create separate sketches, but this is uncommon in my experience.


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Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Tech-Support moment

I just had to blog this….too funny. Yes, it just happened, really! The identity of the “innocent” has been replaced to protect their privacy ;) Mine is exposed….no shame!

Simpson [5:36 PM]:
is there a way to override the cloud definition for a sheet vs. a view?

Baldacchino, David [5:37 PM]:
you can override in both

Baldacchino, David [5:37 PM]:
Sheet views have V/G too

Baldacchino, David [5:37 PM]:
which is stupid, but I digress

Baldacchino, David [5:37 PM]:
You see why Overrides are evil?

Simpson [5:38 PM]:
found it....the VG has the pale color blue but the weights say "no override" already

Baldacchino, David [5:38 PM]:
You should just override GLOBALLY because otherwise you end up chasing overrides all over the place

Simpson [5:38 PM]:
agreed!

Simpson [5:38 PM]:
now I got red....but still no weight

Baldacchino, David [5:38 PM]:
And, now we also have object-level overrides! Please give me a gun!!

Baldacchino, David [5:39 PM]:
Do you have Think Lines turned on?

Baldacchino, David [5:39 PM]:
Thin

Simpson [5:39 PM]:
doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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